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Ed Hughes
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« on: 08 March 2010, 11:05:31 AM »

I joined this forum just over 2 years ago and on a number of occasions (148 apparently!) have been moved to post contributions on topics of interest to me as an ex-Pen lad who grew up in a thriving quarry town cum holiday resort 'twixt mountains and sea'.
Occasionally, as recently, the forum has warmed up when frustrations with 'the system' have been aired and considerable anger expressed over some local issues, e.g. Egniol or Pencae Welsh streaming. By the way, what did happen about that last issue?
A forum is a good place to find out whether anyone else shares your views but it is no place to expect a problem to be resolved. Although this forum has many regular and  active members I doubt whether the majority of Penmaenmawr residents join in and if I were a local councillor I would never be drawn into a discussion on it.
To me fora (that's more than one forum if you weren't force-fed Latin at school) have become an easy option to seeking out the proper and more productive ways of obtaining satisfaction over local issues of concern, but seldom do they produce results. For the purpose of obtaining satisfaction they are as futile as 'writing to the Times' or 'having your say' on the BBC website, particularly if the poster hides behind a pseudonym! If you want an even better example just look at Gordon Brown's petitions website at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ and draw your own conclusions.
It seems to me that we expect too much from electronic means of communication with those who rule our lives. The airwaves are alive with twittering, blogging and texting politicians trying to look as though they are in touch with the masses but in reality it is all mere window-dressing. Never have the residents of Pen had so many representatives at all levels of government between Pant-yr-Afon and Brussels. Parish Councillors, Borough Councillors, County Councillors, a Welsh Assembly Member, a Westminster MP and an MEP, all paid for by you and I; have I missed any? So it shouldn't be difficult to get something done, should it?
Looking at some of the issues raised on this forum I do wonder why your local Parish Councillor was not contacted in the first instance, and so on up the chain if nothing is done. You can write letters which have to be answered, attend council meetings to make sure that topics are discussed and meet with your MP at a 'clinic'. It all takes more effort than posting on a forum but in the final analysis it depends on whether you think the cause is worth it.
Regarding the Egniol issue, the cause would certainly seem to be worth the effort, but who is going to organise it, and do the leg-work?
For what it's worth I would start way back when the building ceased to become the National School: Who owned it at that time? How many times has it been sold on? What planning and change of use permissions were obtained at each change and were they met? What grants were provided to each legal owner, from where and with what stipulations? The place to start regarding ownership and planning permissions etc. is the Planning Office at Conwy Borough Council.  Also, if a legal owner of the building has gone into liquidation then any organisation providing a grant could be a creditor where the conditions of the grant have not been met.
It does appear that the Parish Council should now be, and should have been all along, much more pro-active in this saga but they will need to be kick-started into action by presenting them with the hard facts of the case obtained independently by someone prepared to make the effort. Good luck.
Want to know how to complain? Check this out: http://www.howtocomplain.com/
PS 09 March. Having tried to use the above link in my efforts to get a response from BT about my broadband service - they ask for far too much personal information in order to sign you up. This they sell on to other organisations. I've followed my own advice and written to their head office.
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« Reply #1 on: 08 March 2010, 12:31:19 PM »

Thanks Ed
This was what i was trying to say in another post but you have done it ever so well.
I created this website for memories and promotion of penmaenmawr and dwgyfylchi, i never had any designs on government issues to be addressed here and was worried people might not be getting the best advice or correct information on this forum. I agree strongly that local issues should be taken to council offices or council websites.

Thanks once again Ed

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« Reply #2 on: 08 March 2010, 05:03:38 PM »

Hi Ed, I agree entirely. However, in certain cases the relevent complaints and legal processes you mention may already have happened/be in progress and this forum is a fantastic way to let the wider community know what's going on and to discuss things that concern everyone. But, in line with Emma's quite correct statement that forum rules should be followed and no attacks on anyone, etc it is not the place to state who did what to who on what date and who 'won'! Although it is a great way to chat about local issues isn't it. And, although there may be more formal proceedings afoot, this is a much more light-hearted place to get opinions. If no-one finds an issue interesting then the thread won't be read by anyone or contributed to by anyone I guess....
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« Reply #3 on: 08 March 2010, 07:19:06 PM »

After reading these posts I think it is far better to discuss local matters here rather than to call in the Press or Broadcasting Media to cover our local concerns.Jeremy
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« Reply #4 on: 09 March 2010, 12:10:58 AM »

Indeed. The Egniol and Llan roundabout threads have had well over 2000 'hits' each, so that's a lot of local interest that would not be known about if it wasn't for the forum. So you should be very proud of the usefulness of this forum Emma, and of just how good it is at getting issues for discussion out into the community. As far as not contributing if you were a local councillor Ed. Well, I think that goes with the territory. If people show an interest and ask, shouldn't the local councillors answer? If all is above board, then answering should be easy, even if people have different opinions. If a councillor is acting in good faith then even if people disagree at least the explanation is out in the open. You could argue from the other end and say that councillors should make regular posts on here and maybe have their own threads. It would at least save on paper for Cllr Stevens 'addresses to the town' at Christmas time if nothing else, as we'd all be updated throughout the year! Seriously though, it is a communication medium and should, I think be used for whatever (polite) discussion interested people have regarding anything in the town. If you look at the wide range of subjects being discussed here, it shows how vibrant the site is.
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« Reply #5 on: 09 March 2010, 10:53:23 AM »

I never said that you shouldn't discuss any subject close to your heart, or wallet, on this forum, provided that you don't assume anyone out there is necessarily going to listen or do anything. What I tried to convey was that if you really want a public person or body to take action you need to resort to more 'old fashioned' methods and do your homework, which will usually take a lot of legwork.
Also, it can work the other way round where a public servant thinks that by responding to a forum posting that is all they have to do to make an issue go away.
Emma can indeed be proud of the service provided by this forum which lives on a website created mainly to put across the positive aspects of Penmaenmawr, not only as a place with a rich history, but also as a good place to live, visit, holiday in and perhaps establish a business in. A thriving forum such as this can be a positive aspect but there comes a point where some topics are best continued elsewhere once local awareness has been raised. Too many controversial and sometimes mischievous posts can create completely the wrong impression of the town to outsiders.
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